Monday, November 22, 2010
The actual NCAA rule on buzzer beaters, lots of BU player followups, and more...
So we have yet another game where a shot at the final buzzer creates controversy...
we've had plays like this many times, even in the MVC Tournament (WSU-CU)...
Saturday's Creighton-Iowa State was won by a shot at the final buzzer by Jamie Vanderbeeken that was ruled good, even though the backboard light was already on when the shot was still in his hands.
As you will read below -- there are specific rules to deal with this end-game situation, and although the refs at the CU-ISU game got the call wrong, their judgment stands.
And of course lots of opinions, lots of people stating as fact what the rules are...but oddly -- almost every single one of them that I have read so far (save for ONE) is wrong when the actual NCAA rule is reviewed...
On cyclonefanatic..there are two guys arguing different things...
one saying that clearly in a replay he has, the horn sounded AFTER the shot regardless of when the light went on and thus, since it is the horn that matters, the shot is good.
The other guy takes issue and argues strongly that it is the clock reaching 0;00 that is the one and only thing that matters..
There are also various opinions on BradleyFans, the Creighton site, etc...
But-- college basketball is governed by a precise and thorough set of rules, so just maybe someone ought to check the rules...and I have......
Here's the rule....the actual NCAA rule..direct from the NCAA Basketball Rule Book..isn't that what really matters and not just everyone's opinion...
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf
And guess what -- the 2nd guy I cited on cyclonefanatic (and also, exactly what I have been contending all along)
is right........read it and see......
Except in games where NO replay is available -- or no tenths-of-a-second clock is available...
-->> It is the CLOCK when visible in the video replay that is the final determiner of whether the shot is good or not!
Here's the rule cut and pasted from the NCAA Rule Book:
"Rule 5, Sec. 7 (page 91)
Art. 1. Each period shall begin when the ball becomes live.
Art. 2. Each period shall end when the red light or LED lights have become
activated. When the light fails to operate or is not visible, each period shall
end with the sounding of the game-clock horn.
a. In games when the red light is not present, the game-clock horn shall
terminate players’ activity.
b. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game
clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred
before or after the expiration of time in any period.
When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call
with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not
visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When
definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the
original call stands."
So -- to recap the official rule...the order of importance for ruling an end game shot...
-1st -- if the refs rule the game over and there is no controversy -- then it's over
-2nd, if there is a controversy or buzzer beater play, then it is the replay video of the game clock that determines the call
-3rd if the clock or video are not available, then it is the referee's judgement regarding the lights on the backboard
-then finally, only if both those other sources are unavailable or fail, then use it falls to the referee's judgment on whether the play beat the horn.
I am surprised so many people flat out discount the video of the game clock, as I have seen at least 100 comments from people -- even claimed experts on the message boards saying it is NOT the video replay of the clock...and that it is the horn or the lights...but read the NCAA rule...
Here is it again for reference...
"In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game
clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred
before or after the expiration of time in any period."
The bright spots in Sunday's BU loss to TCU --
Andrew Warren - 24 points 10 rebounds!
Sammy - played 35 minutes!!
We outrebounded them by 10
Walt Lemon double digits again...
We can build on those..........
Allen Iverson played his first two games with his new Turkish team...and neither was exactly a great game..
His first game last Tuesday he did score 15 points, and had 2 assists, but his team, Besiktas Cola Turka, lost.
Then last night his team played again and lost again with Iverson getting only 2 points and remarkably handing out ZERO assists!
Iverson's team is set to face Osiris Eldridge's team on Christmas Eve..
BTW --Osiris' team, Karsiyaka, lost again Saturday, to go 3-3, with OE having a bad game - just 5 pts, 1-5 from 3-pt range, and NO assists.
OE's team is in 8th place in the Turkish League at 3-3and King O is averaging 11.8 ppg, 4 rebs, 1.5 asst, 3 TO.
In other action and followups of other BU players and familiar names...
-Boogie Wright has taken over scoring lead on his Finnish team at 14.1 ppg, and 8.9 rpg..
-Likewise Theron Wilson is doing well with his Finnish team, 15 ppg, 8.4 rpg...
-Here are the box scores of the two games where they've gone head to head..Boogie's team won them both..but in the 2nd meeting Theron had a MONSTER GAME of 20 points and 17 rebounds - yet his team still scored only 53 points total!
Boogie countered with a double-double also, 12 pts, 12 rebs..
http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Finland/2010/0924_1026_1593.asp
http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Finland/2010/1112_1593_1026.asp
-Cellus also had a monster game Saturday nigvht in his team's 7-point loss to the league leader, Chalon..
Cellus had 21 points, 11 rebs
-In Tunisia, Will Franklin's team remains undefeated (6-0), blowing out every opponent by 20-30 points..
-And Zach Andrews continues to dominate his Japanese league in rebounding...
His averages are: 12 ppg, 11 rpg, and 69% FG shooting
-Ex-Braves commit Anthony Grundy is having a fine year in Greece, and was just named Player of the Week for all of European basketball as awarded by Eurobasket.com.
Followups on other familiar players...
-Rhode Island's Daniel West -- ex-BU commit, lost to UIC 74-68, west had 6 pts, 2 asst in a sub role.
-Angus Brandt is a 6-10 Australian kid from Lake Forest Academy who provoked a major recruiting battle with Illinois, Indiana, and others hot after him -- rising to 4-Star but choosing Oregon State to play for up and coming coach Craig Robinson -- President Obama's brother in law.
But things are not going well....Brandt was weak and couldn't score at all last year averaging barely 1 ppg...and is still struggling...getting only 1 or 2 points in each of his last few games..
Oregon State looks terrible and just maybe people will stop referring to Craig Robinson and an up and coming star in the coaching ranks...
After landing several 4-Star recruits the past couple years, his team is off to a 1-2 start, losing even to Seattle & Texas Southern (at home)!
-Vanderbilt & Brehm Prep's James Siakam -- a big time U of I target last year -- still hasn't played after 4 games, suggesting a strong likelihood of redshirt.
-Some NBDL results..
Chris Roberts' Idaho Stampede lost their game Saturday, and Chris played 13 minutes, was 2-4, 4 pts, 2 rebs.
-Champ Oguchi scored 17 pts on 5-8 from 3-pt in his Maine Red Claws' 103-97 loss to The Austin Toros Friday...while teammate Jamar Smith had just 5 pts.
Then Oguchi had 21 points Saturday - but teammate Jamar Smith had 25!
-Evansville's Shy Ely had 8 pts in Iowa Energy's 21 pt win over Dakota Friday then 6 pts on Sat.
-News from Yuba College...
Yuba has the two best scorers in their conference and two of the best in all of the California juco system...
Julian Welch, sophomore, 25.8 ppg, and
Julian Scott, sophomore, 22.5 ppg
Final thoughts --
did anyone ever think WHY....the TSA (airport security) has implemented such a vigorous search policy for airline travelers, even poking hands into groins, feeling genitals and inside of brassiers??
well..use common sense...they're doing it because they know what is likely coming...
they know that the method of choice is for bombers to hide the stuff where nobody can find it and then blow up a plane...and they know that's not just the plan -- our intelligence tells the officials that it is going to happen...
Given all this, I am more than happy to allow whatever they have to do to assure the plane is safe....if you don't want to get felt up, then drive a car......
More on the ongoing Kansas ticket scandal...hinting that it possibly goes all the way to the top...
and wondering how the AD could NOT know that $5 million of Kansas tickets were being pilfered and sold on the black market for illegal gotten gains...
and perhaps just wondering who all may have gained from the sales.......
Time might just tell, as the low-level employees being hit with the current charges might start spilling the beans!
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/nov/22/scandal-continues/?opinion
Lastly -- if several of our players were all tied up in rape and assault charges, or we had a multi-million dollar theft and corruption scandal in the athletic department, or if our coaching staff had been proven to make hundreds and maybe even thousands of illegal phone calls, or if our staff had cheated and lied, and even lied directly to the NCAA when they were caught...
In any of these situations, don't you think everyone and their mother would be calling for cleaning of the entire house???
Heck -- we get calls from pundits calling Bradley a renegade program just for having a 20 year old take a drink....not even a DUI!
And the local press is breathing down their necks constantly always alleging issues as major as a silly text message, a campus spat, and whether the coach actually was honest in revealing his starting lineup!
So I have to ask...how the heck do Rick Majerus, Bill Self, Bruce Pearl, Jim Calhoun, and others keep their jobs?? Why is the press elsewhere not railing to get them fired ASAP as would happen you-know-where?
I guess most places value winning and landing top recruits way more than ethics....
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